Grasshopper. Would be interested in knowing which two you are referring and what was it about their posts that was offensive or a problem for you. Just trying to get a handle on what irritates people about posters here.
I find that if people just talk about a topic intelligently and with purpose then there should be no issues but when posts become inside jokes or conversations between members then there is a problem.
Any trades mentioned should have an absolute reasoning behind why they were made. Technical, fundamental, political whatever but what was it that had you buying or selling the investment vehicle. Just saying you did something means nothing. It needs to mean something in my mind to have any value to me.
Bottom line I believe that if you post a topic it should say something relative to the markets and making money
Golfer, it does operate as sort of an ol' boys network. I would surmise that is certainly not the spirit or intention of Bill but it somehow manifests that way. Your same question was actually responded to if memory serves me correctly some time ago.Someone else made the same point as you and the responses in so many words was "that you need to make a few posts and win the respect of fellow posters to be acknowledged and responded to". I found that a little childish and simply left the blog after reading that not wanting to waste my time here anymore. I am only back now to help inject some feedback to help this blog develop so it becomes more attractive to others out there and more useful to me and my trading. I only hope this country club mentality stops cold and people respond to all intelligent postings if indeed it presents a valid topic. Without question there have been very long winded conversations between members about practically nothing.
Again people I am only putting in my objective critisism here.
David there are many valid educational sites out there dedicated to knowledge, education, trading strategies and the like that can be very beneficial to readers here so that puts the additional burden on moderators to have to evaluate those links/sites as well which may be very justified to have a posting here on Cara. Maybe moderators should look at them quickly to make sure they are legit but thats about it. Let them stand otherwise.
So many posts here are to links that may or may be reputable. Tough call to ban them. Anyway, who cares if people post links to to other sites and they get search engine position. If they are worth it then its a good thing if they aren't they will die on the vine in short order beacuse everyone will see that. People come to Bill's site from other peoples links so why not return the favor. Otherwise we become exactly what we critize so much here of others. Nothing to be insecure about letting other links in.
I definetely concur with Telestar3d. The ignore buttons are the way to go. But this has to be in conjunction with full time Moderators who can immediately delete spam posts. Moderators would also have to be able to differentiate between spam and someone with strong opinions not everyone may like or agree with. Not everyone is going to agree with all of Bills posts or any of the many other members here and and that can create either intelligent dialogue and learning or angry debate. Hopefully the former. No one on this blog has all the answers all the time. What we have are objective opinions that may be based on an expertise or experience. Those opinions need to be heard.
I would suspect that Bill learns on a daily basis as we all do in these crazy market conditions where tried and true techinical analysis has been thrown on its perverbial butt along with many other tried and true market indicators and has so many doubting their trading prowness. Healthy discussion makes us all smarter hopefully. Keeping it civil is the main key.
I am of the opinion that free speech should not be hindered as long as it is done in a gentlemanly manner. No one and I mean no one from the top down should be immune from criticism but it must be done tastefully and objectively. This is the only way people are able to improve themselves. I have been in the background for a long while now and have noticed that many are quite defensive here about critisism. I did notice that "golong" one vocal poster was recently banned. I believe he had many valid points about the blog as well as trading but he could not communicate them properly. I actually liked the guy. I have his tendency as well and need to improve on my delivery.
As for the new system nothing will change much. After time people will go back to old habits. The star system is silly to me will not solve anything because if you don't like a particular poster then you most likely will want to try and hinder their expressions by issuing poor votes for them and ultimately getting them banned. That is what I would do given this choice as there are posters here that make me nuts but, at the same time they do have a right to say the things they say and this is why the best solution is still the ignore post button. Some people like listening to Beck and some Jon Stewart. The ignore button gives people that choice.
So in conclusion no one should be disallowed from the site no matter how vocal in their criticism. As long as they don't use profanity,libel or personally attack anyone then they should be allowed to post.
P.S. The suggestion of having a separate traders blog sounds pretty good as long as there are discussion of strategy and not just what a person bought or sold.
Perhaps somebody can help me on this. I would like to play the market on the short side as maybe a few others may like to do now and I was thinking to use the short index ETF's like SDS, QID and SFK. However, when I analyze them on the few days when the market has gone lower, there seems to be much less upward price movement of these particular ETF's than with their counterparts SPY, QQQQ and IWB when the market heads higher by say the same amount.
And if this is true then what might be the better solution shorting the long index ETF instead of buying the short index ETF?
Watch some great animated business and political satire. I think Bill will enjoy these very much. Obama vs. Obama, Balloon Jack and many more
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lnETHlzu48&feature...
Grasshopper. Would be interested in knowing which two you are referring and what was it about their posts that was offensive or a problem for you. Just trying to get a handle on what irritates people about posters here.
I find that if people just talk about a topic intelligently and with purpose then there should be no issues but when posts become inside jokes or conversations between members then there is a problem.
Any trades mentioned should have an absolute reasoning behind why they were made. Technical, fundamental, political whatever but what was it that had you buying or selling the investment vehicle. Just saying you did something means nothing. It needs to mean something in my mind to have any value to me.
Bottom line I believe that if you post a topic it should say something relative to the markets and making money
Golfer, it does operate as sort of an ol' boys network. I would surmise that is certainly not the spirit or intention of Bill but it somehow manifests that way. Your same question was actually responded to if memory serves me correctly some time ago.Someone else made the same point as you and the responses in so many words was "that you need to make a few posts and win the respect of fellow posters to be acknowledged and responded to". I found that a little childish and simply left the blog after reading that not wanting to waste my time here anymore. I am only back now to help inject some feedback to help this blog develop so it becomes more attractive to others out there and more useful to me and my trading. I only hope this country club mentality stops cold and people respond to all intelligent postings if indeed it presents a valid topic. Without question there have been very long winded conversations between members about practically nothing.
Again people I am only putting in my objective critisism here.
David there are many valid educational sites out there dedicated to knowledge, education, trading strategies and the like that can be very beneficial to readers here so that puts the additional burden on moderators to have to evaluate those links/sites as well which may be very justified to have a posting here on Cara. Maybe moderators should look at them quickly to make sure they are legit but thats about it. Let them stand otherwise.
So many posts here are to links that may or may be reputable. Tough call to ban them. Anyway, who cares if people post links to to other sites and they get search engine position. If they are worth it then its a good thing if they aren't they will die on the vine in short order beacuse everyone will see that. People come to Bill's site from other peoples links so why not return the favor. Otherwise we become exactly what we critize so much here of others. Nothing to be insecure about letting other links in.
I definetely concur with Telestar3d. The ignore buttons are the way to go. But this has to be in conjunction with full time Moderators who can immediately delete spam posts. Moderators would also have to be able to differentiate between spam and someone with strong opinions not everyone may like or agree with. Not everyone is going to agree with all of Bills posts or any of the many other members here and and that can create either intelligent dialogue and learning or angry debate. Hopefully the former. No one on this blog has all the answers all the time. What we have are objective opinions that may be based on an expertise or experience. Those opinions need to be heard.
I would suspect that Bill learns on a daily basis as we all do in these crazy market conditions where tried and true techinical analysis has been thrown on its perverbial butt along with many other tried and true market indicators and has so many doubting their trading prowness. Healthy discussion makes us all smarter hopefully. Keeping it civil is the main key.
I am of the opinion that free speech should not be hindered as long as it is done in a gentlemanly manner. No one and I mean no one from the top down should be immune from criticism but it must be done tastefully and objectively. This is the only way people are able to improve themselves. I have been in the background for a long while now and have noticed that many are quite defensive here about critisism. I did notice that "golong" one vocal poster was recently banned. I believe he had many valid points about the blog as well as trading but he could not communicate them properly. I actually liked the guy. I have his tendency as well and need to improve on my delivery.
As for the new system nothing will change much. After time people will go back to old habits. The star system is silly to me will not solve anything because if you don't like a particular poster then you most likely will want to try and hinder their expressions by issuing poor votes for them and ultimately getting them banned. That is what I would do given this choice as there are posters here that make me nuts but, at the same time they do have a right to say the things they say and this is why the best solution is still the ignore post button. Some people like listening to Beck and some Jon Stewart. The ignore button gives people that choice.
So in conclusion no one should be disallowed from the site no matter how vocal in their criticism. As long as they don't use profanity,libel or personally attack anyone then they should be allowed to post.
P.S. The suggestion of having a separate traders blog sounds pretty good as long as there are discussion of strategy and not just what a person bought or sold.
Perhaps somebody can help me on this. I would like to play the market on the short side as maybe a few others may like to do now and I was thinking to use the short index ETF's like SDS, QID and SFK. However, when I analyze them on the few days when the market has gone lower, there seems to be much less upward price movement of these particular ETF's than with their counterparts SPY, QQQQ and IWB when the market heads higher by say the same amount.
And if this is true then what might be the better solution shorting the long index ETF instead of buying the short index ETF?